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what is up everybody welcome back to the

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disclosure team youtube channel it is 8

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p.m here for me on sunday so my weekend

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is coming to a close so i'm going to

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finish it off and have a great

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conversation with two dudes that i

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really really back in this subject they

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have a great youtube channel great

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podcast and this is going to be a lot of

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fun so let's not waste any more time i'm

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going to bring in ben

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and joe

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from ufo now this is where i go wrong

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because i say garage

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but it's kind of garage isn't it you

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know

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it is a garage yeah kind of like the way

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you say

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i know i think we're gonna change it

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we'll have to make we'll have to make

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like like a like an english version of

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oh he's sweet man but listen guys thank

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you so much for agreeing to do this man

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um it really means a lot so thanks

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thanks for having us man heck yeah man

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nah it's cool it's awesome um

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first thing i just wanted to say

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congratulations ben because i know that

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we tried to arrange this a few weeks ago

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and you were

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in the throes of becoming a father so

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congratulations how's that been man

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thank you yeah man i mean if you can't

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tell i've been a little sleep deprived

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but oh my god dude life has changed it's

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amazing i'm obsessed with our little

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girl dude that's just it's been awesome

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um yeah like waking up in the middle of

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the night you know kind of sleep

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deprived and

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you know baby crying and yeah me and

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joe's talked about this a couple times

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the moment you see

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your little girl's face it's just like

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i'm actually enjoying this everything's

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everything's great so absolutely

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absolutely man i'm glad to hear it man

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and we just had that little chat off

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before we started that where all three

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of us are fathers to daughters like

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um so i love that kind of camaraderie

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you know that we're all in it together

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we we understand each other oh yeah oh

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yeah dude

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so much fun

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awesome

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i thought

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sorry go on oh no no i hope she'll say

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daddy first for sure

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i'm sure she will man and like my little

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girl's nearly four

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um and she loves the fact that

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daddy looks for aliens

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that's what she says you know

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she's obsessed which is so cool honestly

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um well listen i thought we'd kick it

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off but i'd just love to know a little

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bit more about you guys because i've

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watched your show and your channel for

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quite some time now and i you know when

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i found you i even dug back and watched

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the older stuff that you'd done so i'd

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just like to know

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either of you

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what your background is and what got you

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into ufos and you know that that general

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stuff man

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you want to take it first bin

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okay yeah sure i'll take it

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you can go nice

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yeah so yeah me and joe grew up in the

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same uh town here in texas and uh so

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we've been buds for a while we played in

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a band together for a little over 10

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uh and so yeah we we we've been uh you

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know brothers of music and uh

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all we we uh we would always talk about

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aliens and and ufos we both kind of had

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a passion for for that subject i've had

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a passion for it pretty much since i was

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a little kid uh my whole family always

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references like hey you remember that

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alien shirt that when you

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when when you were a kid and you i i

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it had like

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like green hand prints on it all over

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the place anyway guys but uh yeah man we

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we just uh our band kind of uh fizzled

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out there for a while our drummer moved

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like okay well what do we do

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uh so we just started a podcast about

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you know our our favorite part of

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practice other than you know playing

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music was it catching up on like ufo

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nice man i love that i love that

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completely but that makes me want to ask

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you where can we hear your

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music oh yeah you can hear it on spotify

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itunes and all that it's uh ben baxter

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band uh my middle name i'm making a note

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right now oh yeah and back to the band

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yeah yeah ben baxter band yeah dude i

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i imagine man i was never a musician but

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i used to go and hang out with like my

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bros and friends and hang out like their

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band practices and stuff because a lot

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my background is skateboarding and like

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half of my crew were like musicians and

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stuff so it was just that kind of vibe

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day in day out so yeah i love it man

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hell yeah

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so yeah yeah it was a good time dude

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yeah it was a you know a lot of late

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nights you're the first ones there last

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ones to leave uh

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don't miss i don't miss that part but i

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do miss playing uh playing live music

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man and this kind of this podcast kind

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of fills that hole uh a lot of ways that

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creative kind of vibe that creative

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awesome man

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so i guess that like you say it was a

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natural progression you filled that gap

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with the podcast did you have any

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aspirations or expectations with the

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podcast or was it just putting out you

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guys chatting and and stuff like when

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did it kind of transform into like

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we need to get guests on and things like

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just kind of happen

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man i don't think we planned it at all

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it was really just kind of one of those

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let's just let's just put it up on the

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internet like ben and i

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we always had so many questions and like

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we just had never had anybody else to

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like bounce ideas off of or talk aliens

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with you know what i'm saying so we were

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on the internet there's going to be

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people that are just going to like want

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to talk about it all the time that's a

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perfect place for it and it it didn't

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a direction or like a end goal like

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whatsoever it was just something fun

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that we did and uh man before we knew it

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episode like on the tic tac stuff and

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gary voorhees actually reached out to us

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one day and was like hey

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it i've just been looking for new stuff

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to listen to and i came across your show

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and uh i just wanted to clear some stuff

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up on that tic tac tac episode and we

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were like uh hell yeah

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he came on the show him and pj hughes

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came on the show and he just started

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chit chatting about it and man people

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liked it and even after that it wasn't

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there was still no end goal right like

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we had just accomplished the mission

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right there which was just to talk ufos

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and aliens and then we just so happen to

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have somebody directly involved with

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this exact subject that we're interested

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in contact us and be like yeah let's

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chat about it so for us

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like that's the win that's the end goal

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it doesn't matter how many

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that are on the show or how you know who

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they are or what they are the goal is to

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just chat with people about the subject

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you know there's a whole lot of there's

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a whole lot of uh that that's involved

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with that especially when you're running

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a show who are you talking to what are

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they about what is their background this

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and that but like that was always way

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too much for ben and i we just love the

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stories man like with us you know before

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the show we were kind of chit chatting

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and like how this whole thing is for us

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it's it's almost more about the people

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than it is about the secrets you know

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that's what makes the show awesome i

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think that gets overlooked as well the

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people because everybody's so focused on

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the data and the information and the

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secrets as you say that people get

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really stressed and they get really like

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you know back and forth argumentative

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here there and especially on ufo twitter

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that that is what's refreshing about

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your show because when i found you and

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then went back you know your first

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however many 10 shows let's say we're

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just covering different areas within the

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subject so i've made a list here like

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that real broad range and that's

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something that i was totally related to

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because i've looked into all of those

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it's great that you didn't have one

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narrative that you were following and

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and that's great

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but if we talk about those specific

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cases what would your thoughts be on

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things like let's talk about the diet

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love past because that's something i've

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always wanted to talk about with someone

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man yeah like yes

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what did you guys think about that case

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and where are you now with it after like

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talking about it and maybe looking into

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there is so much to that case dude like

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there's just so much to it uh

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researchers or nothing we're going off

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of we're just two dudes

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hearing stories and like i mean that's

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really all we can go off of man

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that man that story is so cool like

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i mean it wasn't cool for the people

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that were there obviously but

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you know there's just so many like

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random things like when it comes to like

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their eyes and like the way that people

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were found and where they were found and

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all this extra stuff tents being cut

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from the inside like it's just

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got me mad yeah it's a it's a wild story

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while i can go with like yeah maybe it

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was a beer or like you know

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for me it's fun to go with like oh maybe

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this was the inside job or maybe they

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did find a a yeti or something out there

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and like hold it in their tent because

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they killed it and then it woke up

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because it wasn't dead you know

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yes it's it's just a crazy it's a crazy

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story it's a crazy it is man because

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that site that they got found at was

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that was days and days of traveling out

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just a a walk down down the road or

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anything and that's

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yeah

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the tenting the scratch

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that like they clambered from the inside

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out yeah man it's so crazy and that

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story can take so many avenues too like

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are we gonna go the government

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conspiracy way are we gonna go the the

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cryptid experience you know uh away are

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we gonna go the ufo route like which

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route are we gonna take like and it's

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crazy

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yeah

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i guess we'll never really know

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i don't think so

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you can almost like point to all three

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of those or all four of those in this

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case like you found you find a bunch of

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bodies in the tree and then like are on

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the ground with their pants on like

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weren't their clothes like on in a in a

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weird way or something like that and

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then they had like radiation burns right

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and

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they had like burns on their skin

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and then yeah dude like

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it's almost like they they interrupted a

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meeting between like the government

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bigfoot and a bunch of aliens and they

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were like get them

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totally awesome

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absolutely man because all three of the

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different plausible possibilities

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they're all on the same level there's

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not one that outweighs the other or

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anything and those kind of cases are

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mental man so

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yeah yeah and that's this is what i'm

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saying it's like you guys covered that

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and talked about that stuff and this is

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what i find is that most people follow a

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certain narrative or sort of a certain

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angle i mean i hold my hands up i kind

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of do so it's so refreshing to see it

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covered

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you know it with so many different

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things and then with your guests as well

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you know you've had your gary voorhees

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pj hughes ryan sprague but you've had

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like jim goodall and then

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you know

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you've been to some conferences as well

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and done some interviews as well which

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was awesome tell us about like

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that because i've never been to anything

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like that so i'm interested do you think

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first off jim goodall is the man yes

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100

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he's a good buddy

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yeah

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like we were lucky we went to this

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conference uh the first one was ufo con

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uh or no sorry ufo congress uh right and

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and we met lorian finton

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and uh a couple of awesome people uh

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yeah jocelyn buckley buckner uh melinda

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leslie and we just hung out with them

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the whole time and

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they yeah they kind of gave us like this

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background of a little bit of of

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of the community in a way and introduced

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us to a bunch of awesome people

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and uh dude if anybody hasn't gone to a

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conference you gotta go cause like

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that's where you find your tribe dude

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like

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it's fun talking chatting on the

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internet but some people you know hide

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behind a username sometimes or or maybe

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uh

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it can it can get a little political but

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if you're in person with somebody you're

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i feel like you're more willing to open

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up and like talk about the crazy stories

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and go down different paths that you

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might not have thought about before it's

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it's so much fun dude

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yeah i get that next thing like being

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here in the uk there are very few

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opportunities for things like that there

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are little things that have happened

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over the years but obviously with the

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pandemic it all shut down we just had

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one a few weeks ago i wasn't able to

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attend but yeah that's the kind of thing

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i'm now really actually looking forward

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to just going to hang out and just

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chilling with people you know if i get

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to talk to anybody of importance great

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if not just want to hang out and have a

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great time you know

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it's awesome man it's a lot of fun you

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know i mean you get you get there and

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there's just people you know walking

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around even like even if you don't like

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go in to see the speaker i mean all you

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do is hang around till the evening and

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go sit at the bar with them you know

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like everybody's just bumping shoulders

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and saying what's up and having a good

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time it's a lot of fun i mean you're

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walking around some people are like hey

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you want to talk about secret you know

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underground military bases and then

391
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other people are like hey you ever seen

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a picture of a fairy you know like it's

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just it's all over the place you're like

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what yeah like

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yeah that literally happened

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it's cool man i'm totally down for it

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experiencing stuff you would never

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experience like we got this reading from

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this lady like it was just random we

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were just standing there looking at

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knickknacks on her table and she's like

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psychically like reading us and we're

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like holy [\h__\h] like we don't know if

404
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this is real but it's cool

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you know

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yeah totally man i'm the kind of guy

407
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that'll probably buy merch from all the

408
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wacky tables as well well yeah i don't

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mean to throw shade on people because i

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know they're all there for their own

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reasons and that's kind of

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everyone who watches this don't go crazy

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in the comments because i meant that in

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a a jest kind of way dude you'll go home

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with like a bag of stuff and be like

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look what i got i got this i got this

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this this little amulet if you put it in

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the yard it attracts you know like

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gnomes

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you're like i don't know i got this set

421
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i got this like brass pyramid and you

422
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put it on your head and it makes you

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i'm smarter

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down for that kind of

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stuff absolutely man because at the time

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i bet it sounds incredible and you're

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just in the vibe and that and that's

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yeah yeah i'm i'm a sucker for that kind

429
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now one other thing that you've done is

430
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you also covered specific cases on your

431
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channel another aspect pascagoula travis

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wow and betty and barney hill so

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did you actually do some like really

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deep research into those cases or are

435
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these just things that you've just

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talked about and read about over the

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years and are just

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stuck in your head like how deep have

439
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you gone down the rabbit hole

440
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there's a little bit of both man

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a little bit of both

442
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half half the time i feel like in the

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early episodes

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we would get together for a podcast and

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joe would be like dude i've been

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researching this thing all week and then

447
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i'll look into it maybe like the last

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two days so i'll know a little bit of it

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like cliff notes

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and then we would just i would say hey

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is this right and he would you know fill

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in those those details and then you know

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you can catch live me going like

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what

455
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wait a minute i didn't know that

456
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that's kind of cool in a way though man

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i like that and i think this is the

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beauty of having two people host a

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podcast because obviously i do done this

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solo and i've done the odd show with

461
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co-hosts and things like that and it's a

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totally different vibe and then you add

463
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your connection as to

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best friends kind of thing it's like a

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recipe for success man so

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i can totally see that that's awesome

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man yeah yes

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it's definitely a little bit of both for

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sure man like because one of the big

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things for us was like the fun part was

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getting to like interact with people so

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like you know like you know the stories

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we've all heard the stories we know that

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we know all the you know all the the the

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one-liners and stuff to all the stories

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but then you go in you do a little bit

477
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more digging you start finding some cool

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stuff and then you start like popping up

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you know new questions and then you know

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it's not it's not always about like

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covering or explaining the entire story

482
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a lot of it is just telling the story

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and like resurfacing questions so you

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can like people can like grab onto that

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and they're like oh i've heard this and

486
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i've heard that it's it's amazing how

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many different answers you can get to

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one story or like to one question you

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know like so many people have heard so

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many different things and like that's

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how it's like

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like that's how like we learn is like oh

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you know you ask a question and you get

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five different answers now you go in you

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break down all five of those different

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answers and so

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it's almost like it almost makes the

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work easier than doing it beforehand

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and it's a lot more fun because you get

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to do it with other people

501
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yeah absolutely i completely i love that

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vibe totally

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yeah that makes a lot of sense man it's

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kind of like spitballing and

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yeah i love it

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yeah um improv

507
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yeah that's the thing man like sometimes

508
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you can be like prepared you could be

509
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over prepared and and that and then like

510
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you kind of lose a little bit of that

511
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natural kind of conversational vibe and

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bouncing ideas thoughts questions off of

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each other and that's something i've

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learned to become kind of aware of

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because

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you know i've only been doing this for a

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few months and before that i i hated

518
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being in front of the camera in fact i

519
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still don't particularly feel a hundred

520
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percent so

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yeah i'm still learning so to watch you

522
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guys and the the fun and the vibes that

523
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you have it it all adds to my

524
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kind of comfort in front of in front of

525
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the camera so yeah well yeah man feel it

526
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you're crushing it dude seriously

527
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i i did want to just add in there if

528
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anybody's looking for like a

529
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a very in detailed you know account of

530
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some of these episodes like we'll be

531
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talking about the episode for or the the

532
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story or case for like maybe five

533
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minutes and then we'll go on a rant for

534
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like

535
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some people get annoyed by that and

536
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they're like they don't even talk about

537
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aliens like half the time well you know

538
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we go off on tangents sometime okay like

539
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it's yeah but it works it works man

540
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one

541
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interview in in that really stands out

542
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when you talk about things like that is

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your interview with luella zondo man

544
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because

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you know when you went into that big

546
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gearheads conversation or you know

547
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i don't know anything about that kind of

548
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stuff but i was just

549
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hooked man like to see

550
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:11,840
three people and with dan warren as well

551
00:19:16,870 --> 00:19:13,840
yeah it's just incredible i actually

552
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:16,880
watched it again yesterday and man it's

553
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:19,919
so much fun see to see lou's uh eyes you

554
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:22,160
know think he he loves talking about

555
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:23,679
that stuff i mean

556
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:25,120
i love uh

557
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:27,120
that aspect of uh

558
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:28,480
particularly that interview but like

559
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:30,000
anybody that we have on the show if we

560
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:31,840
hit something that's not really about

561
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:33,919
aliens or whatever and they get excited

562
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:35,600
like why not talk about that just

563
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,559
because

564
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:38,640
your podcast is about yeah it's it's fun

565
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:39,760
to kind of

566
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:42,799
humanize people you know exactly man

567
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:44,720
like louis lozando is like this dark

568
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:46,720
scary figure in the shadows of the

569
00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:48,960
government and it turns out like oh yeah

570
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,280
he likes uh cars and fart jokes and

571
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:53,520
music you know that's cool you know

572
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:55,760
that's good yeah so

573
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:57,679
yeah man humanizing some of these people

574
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,440
especially when you get into like the

575
00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:01,440
the abductees like a lot of the

576
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,520
experiencers and they have like these

577
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:05,760
you know these these insane experiences

578
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:07,120
and people look at them like they're

579
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:09,919
they're different and then like oh

580
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:12,320
you you love sandwiches just as much as

581
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:15,760
i do you know it's very humanizing and

582
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:18,480
it takes away kind of that that that

583
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,080
that spookiness about the whole

584
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:22,080
situation it's like yeah some spooky

585
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:24,559
stuff happened but look we all got lives

586
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:26,799
to keep living these people maybe need a

587
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:28,720
little extra help a little extra love

588
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:30,720
occasionally but like they're living

589
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:32,640
their lives just like everybody else is

590
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:35,360
man they're just people which which then

591
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:37,360
in turn should really open you up a lot

592
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:38,960
more and say

593
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:41,520
oh damn i just uh i woke up i had to go

594
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:43,840
to work i took care of the kids and i do

595
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:46,320
remember something crazy happening and i

596
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:48,799
just never really thought about it and

597
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:50,960
then you start to think wow this is

598
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,600
happening to a whole lot of people holy

599
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:55,120
crap you know

600
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,720
so totally man

601
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,559
have you guys spoken to any experiences

602
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:00,559
or interviewed any

603
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:03,280
yeah yeah uh yeah quite a few quite a

604
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,080
few actually um you know the documentary

605
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:07,919
that we're doing is actually about an

606
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:10,240
experiencer um everyone from like

607
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:13,200
samantha moet to you know melinda leslie

608
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:15,679
uh you know just there's there's uh

609
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:17,120
they're all over the place and a lot of

610
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:19,280
them are are the researchers that are

611
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:21,039
doing a lot of the big stuff in the

612
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:22,559
field you know which is really important

613
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:25,520
but then also man we have just listeners

614
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:28,240
who email us on the show like hey

615
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,159
i've never told anybody this before but

616
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:32,799
uh i i i like to come on and just chat

617
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,799
with you guys and they come on and tell

618
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:36,960
us about their experiences and you know

619
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,919
sometimes it takes a couple episodes for

620
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:41,679
them to kind of get in the groove a

621
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:43,679
little bit but man it's it's a lot of

622
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:45,679
fun i i feel like a lot of times people

623
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,080
are just looking for an ear that's going

624
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,559
to listen you know

625
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,480
man yeah

626
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,080
and it's not always about the you know

627
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:56,559
our show isn't always about the ah aha

628
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:58,799
gotcha moment you know it seems like a

629
00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:00,080
lot of people are always trying to get

630
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,240
you you know always trying to rip apart

631
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:04,000
your story and break it down to like the

632
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,679
finest details but

633
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,440
the more the stuff you hear the more you

634
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,960
find out that like

635
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,799
a lot of those fine details are hard to

636
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,880
remember in a lot of these cases it

637
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,360
doesn't seem to be that easy so man

638
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,360
really we just we just want to hear your

639
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,280
story and we want to hear kind of like

640
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,760
how are you feeling man like we want to

641
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:23,919
know how you're doing after all this

642
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,640
basically is what it comes down to like

643
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:28,000
i don't want to

644
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:31,840
or hold you up on a pedestal i just want

645
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,600
to know how you're doing now you know

646
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:35,280
you're doing harder right really

647
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:38,000
yeah i i like that's so cool man because

648
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:41,360
i i feel the same you know my home as i

649
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:44,240
say home is instagram and we we've built

650
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,200
and formed a community there that is

651
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,600
it's like family now and there's

652
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,840
loads of people who are literally all

653
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:53,919
over the world and we all kind of they

654
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,640
all

655
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:56,799
came to me or talked between each other

656
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,039
and we just seem to have just all

657
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:01,440
formed this bubble and we talk regularly

658
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:02,240
and

659
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,480
still a little bemused because i've

660
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:08,159
never seen anything or experienced

661
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,200
anything

662
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,000
but i've made a safe space for everyone

663
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:13,919
and i guess it sounds like you guys have

664
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,320
done exactly the same so i totally

665
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:18,159
relate and it's nice

666
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:19,600
to just care

667
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:23,120
and talk yeah

668
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,640
dude that's awesome that you have like

669
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:26,480
that community dude that's that's so

670
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:27,679
cool like

671
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,320
it's it's crazy like when you make that

672
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,080
safe space how

673
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:34,240
freeing and uh i don't know like

674
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,280
positive and un uplifting it can be

675
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,600
rather than being on you know some some

676
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:42,080
hashtag that's only about nuts and bolts

677
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,200
where you know

678
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,960
that no one's you know not everybody's

679
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,720
gonna believe your story but yeah when

680
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,400
you have that tight community

681
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:50,880
uh phil's i feel like for the most part

682
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:53,120
they're very uplifting and support

683
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:56,240
supportive and i mean [\h__\h] who who needs

684
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:57,679
that kind of stuff better than somebody

685
00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:58,640
who's

686
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,400
seen an actual alien or been abducted by

687
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,480
by an extraterrestrial like that's got

688
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:06,720
to be some life-changing stuff man

689
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,200
absolutely man i mean i this is what

690
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,120
i've learned you know speaking to people

691
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,600
that have seen things have held inside a

692
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,520
lot a lot of the time for many years

693
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:17,039
it's like when you

694
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,720
when they talk to you and you see that

695
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:20,240
release and that almost you can almost

696
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:21,919
physically see the weight lifted off

697
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,559
their shoulders it's like whoa

698
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,159
man like that's

699
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,080
that's heavy and

700
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,080
for me to be able to help them out just

701
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,039
by listening and not judging

702
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:35,679
man it's a powerful thing so yeah i

703
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,320
never really imagined i'd be that person

704
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,799
but i'm glad i am you know so

705
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,720
yeah you feel it uh you feel the tide

706
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:44,880
switching a little bit like

707
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,960
i don't know like it's hard for me and

708
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:48,880
ben to speak right because we're pretty

709
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:51,840
new to the community as well like the

710
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:54,480
subject is lifelong but like kind of

711
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:57,520
like dipping your toe into the community

712
00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:59,760
is is brand new to us and just from

713
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,480
observing on the outside in a lot of the

714
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:04,960
stuff that you get is a lot of the the

715
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,919
old school stuff first and then we start

716
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,080
getting into this newer layer of things

717
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:11,919
that are happening and it's just really

718
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,520
interesting because a lot of the old

719
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,080
school stuff is really like it's it's

720
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,159
really like hard knocks right you you

721
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:20,080
either know it or you don't know it and

722
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,679
if you needed help you had to find some

723
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,440
guy who knew some stuff about some

724
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:25,200
things that you had to cross-reference

725
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:27,039
with somebody else you know to get some

726
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,559
help for this thing and now it's like

727
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:30,400
you're starting to see more people just

728
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:33,279
kind of open up about information and

729
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,880
just like help and you're starting to

730
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,559
see like instead of this like

731
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,240
secretiveness you're starting to see

732
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,720
this like hey let's let's like let's

733
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:42,320
help each other out a little bit you're

734
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,200
starting to see a little more

735
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,120
camaraderie i think like a lot of the

736
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:47,200
newer generation is kind of over the

737
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,480
whole like

738
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,720
you know like we're just gonna be like

739
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,279
grumpy about stuff and like

740
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,679
angry all the time because i i totally

741
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:58,000
get it i totally get it man these people

742
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,600
have been putting in their time and

743
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,400
effort for a long time like 50 plus

744
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,360
years and nobody they they've they've

745
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,760
done the hard part for us right yeah and

746
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:09,120
i think that's something that we all

747
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:10,480
need to appreciate

748
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:13,679
100 because i i do 100 percent i

749
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,760
appreciate all that hard work and effort

750
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:17,840
that they put in all the people that

751
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:19,520
like you know

752
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,240
lost the jobs and wrote the books and

753
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,799
like did the hardcore research and some

754
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:26,400
people even died i mean let's be honest

755
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:27,520
like this yeah

756
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,840
it's not all it's not all fun and games

757
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,760
a lot of it gets really serious

758
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:33,120
especially when you start getting into

759
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,799
the secrets and the government and all

760
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,640
that stuff and you can go wherever we

761
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:38,640
want to with that but those people put

762
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,440
in the hard work so i can i totally

763
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,799
understand when you see a bunch of new

764
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:44,240
people come in they're like oh they're

765
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,679
just [\h__\h] repeating everything

766
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:47,520
everybody else said and you know they

767
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,159
get upset about it but you know

768
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,559
we're we are all learning and we are the

769
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,480
new generation and melinda leslie has

770
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,159
i've heard her say it too is like hey

771
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,559
you know the best we can do is teach all

772
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,120
these new people what we know and keep

773
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:03,440
the ball moving forward like and that's

774
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:06,240
that's like so cool of people to start

775
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,600
feeling that way

776
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,200
and uh helping out the younger

777
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,840
generation because dude now that we're

778
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,520
starting to kind of bring each other

779
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:15,200
together we're gonna start kicking some

780
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,720
ass dude like we're actually getting

781
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:18,000
some secrets

782
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,960
yes

783
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,720
yeah no it completely i feel i think

784
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,080
this is what i've started feeling is

785
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,960
that we're coming from wherever we are

786
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:26,960
we're you know thousands of miles apart

787
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,679
but we're a cog each of us is a cog when

788
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:31,840
we come together put those cogs together

789
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:34,799
we form a bigger machine works better

790
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:37,600
you know so the more of that we get form

791
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:40,799
like voltron and you know

792
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:43,840
just do good things man yeah yeah

793
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,840
power rangers ufo power rangers

794
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,120
yeah i'm down

795
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,200
uh blue eyes thank you so much for the

796
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:53,120
five dollars saying cheech and chong

797
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:55,600
reincarnate we're here

798
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,750
awesome man um

799
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,919
now you mentioned

800
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,440
ten minutes ago five minutes ago this

801
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,520
new documentary that you're working on

802
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:10,159
now do i've got a trailer to play but do

803
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,039
you want to just give us a little

804
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,159
breakdown of how it came about and

805
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,240
what it's what it's about totally you

806
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,470
yeah uh

807
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,159
we can kind of half this up a little bit

808
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,799
ben but yeah man basically

809
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:26,320
what

810
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:28,159
my daughter was uh i think she's hungry

811
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:29,679
so i just she's crying in the background

812
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,640
so i'll let you go first i'll take it

813
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:34,799
so man basically it started out you know

814
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,760
i was just kind of listening to a radio

815
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,760
show and uh

816
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:42,080
dude we were you know i heard this story

817
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,600
about this guy his name was eric

818
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:45,679
mitchell and i was like damn that's such

819
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,399
a like a great that's a great story

820
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,880
right and and it became one of my

821
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,200
favorites and we ended up being at a

822
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,600
conference that he was actually at

823
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,320
and uh he was like hey can can you help

824
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,720
me do something uh

825
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:02,080
i'm trying to you know he's not very

826
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,360
good with computers so we helped him

827
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,120
with his computer and stuff like that

828
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:06,960
and and we ended up just kind of

829
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:09,360
becoming buddies and he was looking for

830
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,559
somebody to tell his story and

831
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,320
you know we were like hey if you ever

832
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:16,480
want to do some audio stuff man we can

833
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:17,520
definitely

834
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,360
track all that audio for you and we can

835
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:21,919
get your full story and he was like yeah

836
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:24,159
that'd be kind of cool and then ben had

837
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,600
kind of mentioned like well maybe we

838
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:27,039
could take like a little bit of video of

839
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,640
him he's like i got the brand new iphone

840
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:30,640
dude it takes amazing video right which

841
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:33,279
it does so we thought hey we'll set up

842
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,200
and kind of you know hang out and just

843
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,440
do some audio and this cool little you

844
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,760
know little video portion for it and

845
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:41,200
we'll put it on the internet and that'll

846
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:42,159
be that

847
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:45,120
well and ben had a buddy um that

848
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,880
actually does like film stuff and uh and

849
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,880
uh he was like

850
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:53,120
hell yeah i will definitely help you out

851
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,640
to do that he was like that'd just be a

852
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:56,880
cool project to be a part of so it's

853
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:59,200
kind of evolved into like

854
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:01,840
um most people would call it like this

855
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,159
whole thing right

856
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,399
like it's turned into this thing it's

857
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,880
kind of taken a life of its own and man

858
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:10,320
we ended up getting some really cool

859
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:12,399
people to just hang out with us in the

860
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:15,200
documentary and and and help tell eric's

861
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:16,960
story

862
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:19,760
dude yeah yeah that's incredible man i

863
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,320
love those like grassroots things that

864
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,799
sprout from a seed and just grow into

865
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,159
something

866
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,880
so big and so awesome so yeah then do

867
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:30,399
you want to add anything before we show

868
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:33,039
the trailer uh nah i mean joe you

869
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,799
covered it pretty pretty well dude i

870
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,960
mean it's yeah like you said vinnie it's

871
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,480
it started from humble beginnings like

872
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:40,640
hey let's just uh record it audio and

873
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:43,840
then uh i thought yeah it's it's pretty

874
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:45,360
cool to see how big this whole

875
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:46,960
production has come

876
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,520
yeah it is a whole thing now like we're

877
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:51,120
we're like actually we want to do a good

878
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,880
job you know yeah we're not trying to

879
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,240
put it on

880
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,159
yeah we are invested so

881
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,919
and one thing i wanted to point out too

882
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,519
is like

883
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,919
we've we kind of talked about this on

884
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,279
how like

885
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,600
this is this is eric's story man you

886
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:06,880
know like

887
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,000
yeah ufo garage is kind of has kind of

888
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,559
put this whole thing together um but

889
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:14,960
it's it's not so much ufo garage man

890
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,200
this is this is eric's story we just so

891
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,600
happen to be two dudes

892
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,960
that were able to get a hold of some

893
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:23,279
cameras and help this guy out you know

894
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:24,559
and uh

895
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:27,279
we don't we want it to be about the

896
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,720
experiencers as a whole and about eric

897
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:32,240
and about the people that are in this

898
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:34,000
film the people that are putting in that

899
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,760
groundwork um so it's got our name on it

900
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:40,080
but his name is bigger and it's

901
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:41,679
important for people to understand that

902
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:44,960
this is about them like not us so much

903
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:47,760
you know yeah totally man that's awesome

904
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,000
i appreciate you saying that because

905
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,840
i think a lot of experiences have felt a

906
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,279
little bit like they've had a bit of a

907
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,279
back seat over the last few years

908
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:57,200
um and it is definitely

909
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,559
not something that we should kind of

910
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,720
push away from and that so

911
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,559
yeah yeah let's let's check it out

912
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:04,320
because i've seen it i'm itching to see

913
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:05,360
it again and

914
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,799
i think everyone in the chats are really

915
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:08,159
going to appreciate so let's hope my

916
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,440
share screen

917
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:10,799
goes well

918
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,440
here we go guys here we go hey that

919
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:15,360
looks good here we go

920
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:16,559
right everyone in the chat let me know

921
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:24,870
oh i think we lost audio did we lose

922
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:27,279
audio how do i

923
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,159
okay um oh if you share a window or uh i

924
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:34,000
think there's like an extra a tab where

925
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,600
you can share a chrome tab and then

926
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:37,200
there's a check mark that says share

927
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,320
audio

928
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,159
okay one second i knew this was gonna

929
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:43,120
happen thank you guys no sound so let's

930
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,240
try that again

931
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,880
i got share screen or video file oh yeah

932
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:49,279
so you go share screen

933
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:51,600
and then uh it should be nice system

934
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:53,840
audio yeah there you go

935
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,080
thank you man

936
00:33:00,510 --> 00:32:58,960
i'm new to sharing screen video

937
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:00,520
right let's go

938
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:21,200
[Music]

939
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,750
how do you

940
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,600
even register the fact that this kind of

941
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,760
thing is going on your brain puts it if

942
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:31,919
you're a healthy person

943
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:38,389
two billion earth-like planets out there

944
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:41,200
the chances of having humanoids

945
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:44,559
with advanced technology far beyond ours

946
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,760
i would be willing to bet 100 percent

947
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:49,279
i mean anyone watching this you have

948
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,679
experiences if you have ichi experiences

949
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,440
you're not alone

950
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,360
knowing that it happened you you're at

951
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,080
war with yourself all the time

952
00:34:01,269 --> 00:34:00,000
you're so far advanced that this stuff

953
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,279
that we do

954
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:03,279
doesn't really have any place in your

955
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,399
existence

956
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,320
and has nothing to do with math or

957
00:34:11,370 --> 00:34:08,000
sciences everything to do with

958
00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:34,710
[Music]

959
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:35,669
noise

960
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,389
now you're now you're muted

961
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,320
yeah

962
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:44,960
dudes that is like

963
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:47,679
awesome that's like high budget kind of

964
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,000
vibes like

965
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,560
it it does it definitely has those vibes

966
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:55,440
uh man but like you saw i mean the

967
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:56,720
the

968
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,040
very small it's it's you know a lot of

969
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,680
it was done in like home towns of people

970
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,000
you know like my hometown up in like

971
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,880
arkansas we did somehow in arizona so

972
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:09,920
you know we've done a little bit of

973
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,400
traveling it's it's by no means like

974
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,160
what you would call like a high budget

975
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,119
film i mean i guess like for

976
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:19,440
for like uh you know the amount of money

977
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:21,599
that we make and that's in our pockets

978
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,760
currently it's kind of high budget yeah

979
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,359
but you know to somebody who's actually

980
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,280
pumping out documentaries and doing this

981
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,079
stuff and like you know it's it's it's a

982
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,000
it's very small potatoes but we

983
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:36,560
definitely wanted to do it justice

984
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:39,280
uh if we were gonna do it you know once

985
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:40,960
it got to that point to where we had the

986
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:43,599
capabilities it's like will we just be

987
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,119
stupid if we don't use all the stuff

988
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,359
we have at our disposal like let's do it

989
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:51,760
man like we all have had to learn how to

990
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:55,680
do stuff and like edit video and like do

991
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,000
scoring like everything has been done by

992
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,880
us a lot of it by ben you know i'm just

993
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:02,800
most the times a pretty face that helps

994
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,280
move heavy [\h__\h] around but like you know

995
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,040
these guys are geniuses when it comes to

996
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,280
computers and and like filming and stuff

997
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,599
our buddy nico i mean that dude he's

998
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:13,920
he's great dude i mean so a lot of it

999
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,160
has just been a a learning experience

1000
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,880
man like we're not we're not filmmakers

1001
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,640
we're not none of that stuff we're just

1002
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,560
some dudes who wanted to take a swing

1003
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,560
man and see what happens and that's kind

1004
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:26,480
of what happened so yeah but that's

1005
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,599
awesome like you say it's eric

1006
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,119
mitchell's story but you've got people

1007
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,440
like you mentioned melinda leslie and

1008
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,839
there she was man it's like these people

1009
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,079
are been around for a while and have

1010
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,920
talked about this and it's nice to see

1011
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:39,200
them

1012
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,560
willing to do these kind of things and

1013
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:42,320
keep telling their story and back up

1014
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:44,560
other people and get involved with these

1015
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,240
projects like like what you've done so

1016
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,480
i mean you must have traveled you said

1017
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,640
you did i mean how was that i mean it

1018
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,800
must have been fun

1019
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:56,880
nerve-wracking i can only imagine so

1020
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,480
yeah talk us through like

1021
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,640
that process just to get like to where

1022
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:02,000
you're at now

1023
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,200
so we

1024
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:05,839
one of our travels was to sedona and uh

1025
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,040
we were trying to figure out how we were

1026
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,440
to get there man because i just like i'm

1027
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,200
not going to put that many miles on a

1028
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:13,440
car so

1029
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,480
my wife like she's the uh

1030
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:18,960
the hero in this she found us like the

1031
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:22,320
cheapest cheapest like uh transportation

1032
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,440
because we had to drive because we had

1033
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,680
so much equipment um yeah she found us a

1034
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,960
hertz van

1035
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:28,640
and uh just like one of those big

1036
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,520
parachute heard some pants no it was

1037
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:33,040
dude i swear it was something like 20

1038
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:36,480
bucks a day dude like it was right bro

1039
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,359
yeah

1040
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,680
uh but that that that whole drive man it

1041
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:41,280
was fun it was like

1042
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:42,720
just imagine the you know what we do for

1043
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,240
our podcast but just like 24 7.

1044
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,160
yeah i'm not gonna lie i think i think i

1045
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,320
saw a little behind the scenes maybe on

1046
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,720
instagram or something yeah yeah yeah

1047
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,800
definitely no i was just like i want to

1048
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,560
be there

1049
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,000
it would have been sick like we had so

1050
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,400
much leftover room like if we just had a

1051
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:02,000
couple more people like pick them up

1052
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,119
along the way you know that would have

1053
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,599
been sick yeah yeah but like i was

1054
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,680
saying before it i feel like the

1055
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:09,599
experiencer

1056
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,240
aspect and the people um have just had a

1057
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:14,160
little bit of a backseat for a while now

1058
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,119
and

1059
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,119
we have focused a lot on military in the

1060
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,119
past few years and i understand that

1061
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:21,680
with the release of the 2017 new york

1062
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,560
times article and the navy videos and

1063
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,560
things that have

1064
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,880
science and backing and evidence and

1065
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,960
things like that but

1066
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,880
just because we don't have the science

1067
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:34,079
and the

1068
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,920
the documents and that with experiences

1069
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:37,839
i feel like they still have a story to

1070
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,720
tell and you know it's good for them to

1071
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,560
be able to put that out there so

1072
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:45,119
kudos to you man and i cannot wait for

1073
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,720
this to come out and i'll

1074
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,400
i'll be pushing it as soon as it does

1075
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,480
and i can promise you that much man so

1076
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:52,400
yeah hell yeah i appreciate that man

1077
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,440
they uh

1078
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:55,040
you know with this with everything going

1079
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,800
on it's kind of like

1080
00:39:02,230 --> 00:38:59,280
it's it's it's the next step

1081
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,240
right i mean it's the next step like

1082
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,400
once we have like all this confirmation

1083
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,240
by the government and the military we

1084
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,800
get the videos everybody's like we don't

1085
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,720
know what it is even though we know they

1086
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:12,640
know what it is you know like

1087
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,839
now people are gonna start asking

1088
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:15,599
questions okay

1089
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,880
it's here now what oh well remember all

1090
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,119
those people you thought were crazy for

1091
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,680
70 plus years you know what i'm saying

1092
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:24,960
uh

1093
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:29,760
that you thought were crazy aren't so

1094
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:31,839
crazy anymore and they have something to

1095
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,640
say

1096
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:34,320
and i think it's going to be really

1097
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,920
interesting once people start you know

1098
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:37,760
they're like well the government said

1099
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:40,240
that this this stuff was existed right

1100
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,920
and you know and they're like well yeah

1101
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,359
and they're like so i mean like who's

1102
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,200
doing this to you and they're like well

1103
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:47,119
the government

1104
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:50,560
you know or yeah or or the et's right

1105
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:53,760
either one or or or is allowing the et's

1106
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,720
for

1107
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,160
this to happened whatever and this is

1108
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,000
all the conspiracy part right yeah but

1109
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,920
like it's gonna get brought up because

1110
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:02,480
that's it's such a huge link in this

1111
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,000
chain of of deceit that that has been

1112
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,480
built over all these years so now it's

1113
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:10,880
that's you know why don't we hear a lot

1114
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,079
from experiencers yet maybe that's kind

1115
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:16,480
of part of it because they're not ready

1116
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,440
to cross that bridge yet um because when

1117
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,359
we're talking disclosure we're talking

1118
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:23,680
full disclosure that means we want to

1119
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,000
know everything and some of the stuff

1120
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,560
you hear you're probably not going to

1121
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:30,240
like very much

1122
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,200
yeah

1123
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,839
people you might or might not know

1124
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:35,760
or your government or somebody else's

1125
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,160
government or world powers just in

1126
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:40,480
general people who are pulling strings

1127
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,960
you might not want to know right but

1128
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:44,880
it's coming it's coming it may be

1129
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,599
another 70 80 years but that's the next

1130
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,960
step man

1131
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,880
i completely agree man and that's the

1132
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,119
thing is like i came at this subject

1133
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:54,880
from a very nuts and bolts background

1134
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:58,000
science research documentation evidence

1135
00:41:02,470 --> 00:40:59,440
data and

1136
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,480
i guess proof or the nearest thing we

1137
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,160
had to it right

1138
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:06,400
and i've learned to

1139
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:09,440
look into every aspect experiences

1140
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:10,800
consciousness

1141
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,079
um human cognitive contact i

1142
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:16,960
see e5 and that kind of thing and

1143
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,520
the whole woo factor and the more i've

1144
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,200
looked into it the more there seems to

1145
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,119
be some connect there i don't know what

1146
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,800
or why or anything i don't have any

1147
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:26,319
answers to that but

1148
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,520
it's it's broadened me as a person to

1149
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,280
give everybody a chance

1150
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,440
and a voice which is exactly what you

1151
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:35,359
guys are doing man so

1152
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,720
yeah man it's like the conversation we

1153
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,040
had 15 minutes ago everybody has a

1154
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:41,040
normal life and just because they

1155
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,720
experienced this or that doesn't make

1156
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:43,920
them any less

1157
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,480
a person as maybe someone that

1158
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:48,720
can give something like evidential or

1159
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,440
and that so yeah that's awesome it's

1160
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,599
awesome that you came into this as a

1161
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:55,359
nuts and bolts and now you're kind of

1162
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,800
broadening your horizon like i guess

1163
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,400
if i could ask a question what was that

1164
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:02,000
one thing that kind of tipped you over

1165
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,520
the edge

1166
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:05,200
i guess it was

1167
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:06,560
i mean i

1168
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,520
obviously

1169
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,680
watched the documentaries over the last

1170
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:10,960
decade and that

1171
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:14,240
dr stephen greer and and james fox and

1172
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:15,839
very different angles and yeah

1173
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:17,920
everything greer put out and and going

1174
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,319
back to 2001 with the disclosure project

1175
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,319
was just like this guy's doing some

1176
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,319
incredible work he's a hero for this

1177
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,560
community but then you know opinions and

1178
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,000
things have changed in the last few

1179
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,400
years as far as grier goes but

1180
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,079
being on

1181
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,400
so active on instagram meeting so many

1182
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,119
of the people in that community who are

1183
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,599
completely on the

1184
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:42,000
the wu side of things let's say

1185
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:43,839
meeting them realizing that we are

1186
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,400
completely like-minded people but we're

1187
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,480
just from different different areas but

1188
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,480
in the middle when we are just normal

1189
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,319
we're the same and that just made me

1190
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,160
think hang on a minute like

1191
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,400
we can i need to like broaden my

1192
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,720
horizons here because everybody just

1193
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,480
wants the same thing at the end of the

1194
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,440
day how we get there might be different

1195
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:05,119
but it's better to do it together than

1196
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:12,150
vinnie for presidente

1197
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:13,359
yeah

1198
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,200
it's crazy like the stuff that kind of

1199
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,240
like you run into that makes you like oh

1200
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,079
it makes your ears perk up a little bit

1201
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,640
you know like when i first got into this

1202
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,480
the whole you know you talk about the

1203
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,720
woo right and like we probably believed

1204
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,560
in a whole bunch of woo

1205
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,880
but some of the woo is like a little too

1206
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,160
right when you start getting into like

1207
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,079
this spiritual stuff and the

1208
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:36,960
consciousness and i'll tell you dude

1209
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:39,760
my i i had kind of a similar like

1210
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,240
experience where like i had this switch

1211
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:44,160
flipped we had met this lady her name

1212
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:47,680
was vivian chavette and super sweet lady

1213
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:50,640
claims to be an arcturian hybrid uh does

1214
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:53,599
energy work and we interviewed her one

1215
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,520
day and uh i gotta tell you completely

1216
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,040
uh

1217
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:01,280
flipped my world upside down she she

1218
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:03,440
said that uh she had this little

1219
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:04,480
necklace

1220
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,680
that i could wear

1221
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,520
and she gave it to me and she was like

1222
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,359
yeah it's it'll help balance your

1223
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,760
energies and she started talking about

1224
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,680
like and uh you know if you have you

1225
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,599
know like with your stomach problems

1226
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:17,680
it'll probably loosen that up a little

1227
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,640
bit and

1228
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,319
the thing was i never even told her that

1229
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,720
i was having stomach issues wow at the

1230
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:25,200
time yeah i was weighing i weighed like

1231
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:28,319
almost 230 pounds at the time and for

1232
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,760
some reason like i didn't go to the

1233
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,599
doctor or see what was wrong i just i

1234
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:33,040
just thought maybe i was getting fat or

1235
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,560
whatever i was just i was having a lot

1236
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:36,800
of stomach issues at the time

1237
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,520
she gives me this this this necklace

1238
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,599
dude and i put it on and it's just

1239
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,319
chilling outside my shirt and after we

1240
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:47,200
do our little interview my my chest is

1241
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,040
like hot and i'm like what the hell is

1242
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,359
going on so i go to the bathroom and i

1243
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:53,440
lift my shirt up and dude there's like a

1244
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:56,800
perfect circle a perfect big ass red

1245
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,319
circle on my chest like it couldn't get

1246
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:02,400
any more perfect of a circle it's so

1247
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:05,119
weird and i kind of like

1248
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,560
went and i told ben i was like dude i

1249
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,880
got this big ass red circle on my chest

1250
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,560
it was just kind of like we're weirded

1251
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:12,480
out by it and then i asked her about it

1252
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,160
and she was like oh

1253
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,319
your energy was so

1254
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,960
like twisted and knotted up that

1255
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:21,280
whenever you put this on and it started

1256
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:24,079
to help that energy flow it all came out

1257
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,440
of your chest

1258
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,200
as like you know like a way to like

1259
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,920
disperse disperse energy

1260
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,280
that's how she kind of explained it i

1261
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,200
was like that is so strange

1262
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:35,119
and now dude like i'm sitting here and i

1263
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:38,800
weigh 187 pounds like nice like high

1264
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:41,119
school weight like you know i'm like i'm

1265
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,480
not what you would consider like to be

1266
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,560
like a healthy dude right like i eat

1267
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,480
cheeseburgers and drink beer right and

1268
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,000
and once you get into your 30s that

1269
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,400
stuff starts to kind of you know do its

1270
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,040
thing and you know whatever but

1271
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:55,280
for whatever reason dude when she gave

1272
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:57,680
me that i got that big red circle on my

1273
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,400
chest and all my my stomach issues kind

1274
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:02,160
of started going away

1275
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,480
and really like whether

1276
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:06,880
whether that had something to do with it

1277
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:09,680
or the fact that i had this experience

1278
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:12,480
that made me conscious of the ailments

1279
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,319
of my body yeah either way dude

1280
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,040
something something did something right

1281
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:21,839
to make to make me feel good and i'm i'm

1282
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,720
not against putting that all in my head

1283
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,880
right i'm not against that argument at

1284
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,640
all i as a matter of fact i i believe

1285
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:31,200
maybe 50 of that was all

1286
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,000
my on my mind right sure but i still

1287
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,640
can't explain how she knew i was having

1288
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:39,119
stomach issues and why this thing put a

1289
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:42,079
big perfect red circle on my chest right

1290
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,839
yeah so

1291
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,160
it's it's like 50 50 for me and it

1292
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,880
really kind of like opened my mind to

1293
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,640
like whoa maybe there's something to

1294
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:52,960
this and then the more i dig into this

1295
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,480
whole like yeah vibrations consciousness

1296
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:58,480
all this stuff that's that's literally

1297
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,520
making the universe work as a whole

1298
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:03,680
i just stop and think for a second well

1299
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,640
if it makes the entire universe work why

1300
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:09,200
doesn't it make my body work right yeah

1301
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:11,119
and

1302
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:13,599
it's as simple but as deep as that dude

1303
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:14,480
you know

1304
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,960
yeah i completely agree man that's the

1305
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,560
thing i've seen the kind of woo and the

1306
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:20,960
nuts and bolts come closer together and

1307
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,119
i think a lot more recently there's you

1308
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,520
know we just saw the release of that new

1309
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,359
skin walkers at the pentagon book

1310
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:29,200
regarding osap and things like that

1311
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:30,960
where it's like the government we're

1312
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:34,079
looking at so many strange things at

1313
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,760
skinwalker ranch and ufos all under one

1314
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:39,040
program

1315
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,920
um

1316
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,760
and it's it's caused a bit of an uproar

1317
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,599
because yes we knew about a lot of that

1318
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,920
before but just there's been a few

1319
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:47,040
points

1320
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,880
coming out of how it could really be

1321
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:50,000
connected

1322
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,680
it's caused a lot of controversy i sit

1323
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:53,359
back on ufo twitter and just watch it

1324
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,400
all unfold i don't get involved you know

1325
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,480
it's better that way

1326
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:00,880
yeah but do you do you think there is a

1327
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:01,680
big

1328
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,559
kind of

1329
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:04,960
answer to a lot of it or do you think it

1330
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,119
might be separate do you think there's

1331
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,359
multiple races or like do you do you

1332
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:11,680
have a a picture of

1333
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,559
what it might be in your head or

1334
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:16,640
uh i've i've got this idea mulling

1335
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,440
around in my head that i've been

1336
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:19,680
thinking about is is just like joe's

1337
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:22,559
story where uh whether it was a nuts and

1338
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,119
bolts thing or it was your mind the end

1339
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,760
result happened and yeah if i could

1340
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,319
relate that in a way uh to this this

1341
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,400
phenomenon it doesn't matter if you're a

1342
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,559
nuts and bolts craft kind of person you

1343
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,880
know government conspiracy cover-up or

1344
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:38,559
the spirituality aspect with the

1345
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,440
consciousness of ce5 all that the end

1346
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:43,280
result is what matters so it doesn't

1347
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:44,160
really

1348
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,520
this is how i feel right now like it

1349
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,480
doesn't matter who's right but we can i

1350
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,920
think we can all agree that it's doing

1351
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:50,960
something to the collective

1352
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:53,359
consciousness and we're heading in a

1353
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,559
direction

1354
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,559
and i feel like it's pretty positive

1355
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,800
right now dude like i i think it's

1356
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,960
headed in a direction though and we're

1357
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,960
closer to whatever that is than we've

1358
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,319
ever been

1359
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:07,200
so yeah yeah that consciousness aspect

1360
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,800
something's happening man it's pretty

1361
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:10,720
it's pretty interesting yeah and and

1362
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,440
i've always said dude i think in i think

1363
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:15,680
in our search for little green men in a

1364
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,280
spaceship uh we found something a lot

1365
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:21,440
higher than that and we just didn't

1366
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:24,079
realize it you know yeah absolutely we

1367
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:26,240
found we found exactly what we were

1368
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,960
looking for but but also we found a lot

1369
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,640
more than we ever could have thought we

1370
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,880
were gonna find and i think now that's

1371
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,040
kind of what we're dealing with like

1372
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,920
nuts and bolts like i love it i hope

1373
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,839
there's a freaking spaceship flying

1374
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:41,280
around with something inside of it dude

1375
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,079
like i

1376
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:44,400
want that so bad right but at the same

1377
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,359
time

1378
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:47,200
there could be this consciousness aspect

1379
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,640
of something flying around that doesn't

1380
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,319
even need a craft because it's so

1381
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,319
powerful and connected with the universe

1382
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:54,480
or whatever you want to call it dude

1383
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:57,520
i think that is also a very big

1384
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:58,960
plausibility

1385
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:01,359
yeah i completely agree i think

1386
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,040
at the end of the day we want the answer

1387
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,520
the the big answer the big truth

1388
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,200
but maybe it's more complicated than

1389
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,960
that or maybe it isn't maybe it is a

1390
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:10,480
nuts and bolts answer and that's where

1391
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:13,599
the truth comes from yeah maybe

1392
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,079
the the the individual c5 and

1393
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,079
consciousness thing becomes just an

1394
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,319
individual truth for that person

1395
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:22,160
but it doesn't mean we can't look at it

1396
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:24,000
it doesn't mean we have to put it to one

1397
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:25,680
side it doesn't mean just because we

1398
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:26,400
can't

1399
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:29,200
study it with a known scientific method

1400
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:30,720
it should just be

1401
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,160
pushed to the wayside you know i think

1402
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:36,079
coming together in this subject is

1403
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:37,839
something that i've really found

1404
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,559
helps it helps people in there every day

1405
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,640
even when they're not looking at ufos or

1406
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,240
studying researching it you know you

1407
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,760
wake up and you'll be like i had a cool

1408
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,520
conversation with some guys last night

1409
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:49,359
and now i feel good today

1410
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:51,280
right i'm just i'm just i'm just in the

1411
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,960
supermarket getting some groceries or

1412
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:55,280
whatever you know yeah kind of thing you

1413
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,960
know but if you have an argument or or

1414
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:58,720
get into something on twitter

1415
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,359
that can affect people for oh for sure i

1416
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:02,960
kind of i kind of feel like this subject

1417
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,119
too is kind of like uh you know like

1418
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,119
when you have a question and you and

1419
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:09,119
like if people have questions and they

1420
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:11,280
ask the dalai lama and then the dalai

1421
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:12,880
lama tells you something so simple

1422
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:14,960
you're like i'm such an idiot why didn't

1423
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:15,839
i just

1424
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,240
know you had this complicated life and

1425
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,319
questions and then the dalai lama is

1426
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,960
like you know take three naps a day if

1427
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,400
you're like what and then you think

1428
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,079
about it you're like dude the dalai lama

1429
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,400
was so right dude you know or like i

1430
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,240
feel so much better now like those old

1431
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,079
like buddha scriptures and you're like

1432
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:36,480
that's as simple as [\h__\h] like

1433
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,520
you know like water flows with where the

1434
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,520
least resistance you're like

1435
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:43,119
yeah you're right water does flow like

1436
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:44,720
with the least resistance maybe i should

1437
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,440
start taking the path of my life of

1438
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:49,040
least resistance and then your life

1439
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,800
becomes easier you become happier you're

1440
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,319
like that was so simple i kind of feel

1441
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:54,240
like the ufo thing is that same way

1442
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,760
we've got all these complicated

1443
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,839
questions and like all these complicated

1444
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:00,079
answers that we've built in our heads

1445
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:01,520
but then when we get to the end we're

1446
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:04,800
going to be like that was so simple why

1447
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,400
why did it take so long for us to

1448
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,400
realize that and i think it just has a

1449
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,079
little bit to do with your consciousness

1450
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,079
you know you raise that consciousness

1451
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,160
and answers come to you that you didn't

1452
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,400
think of before it's the same thing dude

1453
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,559
when you talk to the dalai lama he says

1454
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,400
something simple and that raises your

1455
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,839
consciousness like five points and

1456
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:23,920
you're like holy [\h__\h] you're right you

1457
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,640
know

1458
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,800
i'm higher than i was before i get it

1459
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:28,800
now that makes so much sense

1460
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,359
i love that man the last thing whatever

1461
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,839
it is if we stay positive i think it's

1462
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,000
always going to be beneficial the moment

1463
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,200
we go negative or argumentative like

1464
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:41,599
that's when things get get

1465
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:42,800
just

1466
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,359
things get put on pause because

1467
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:47,040
who no one's got the answer on either

1468
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:49,280
side so back and forth

1469
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:50,960
you're still going to remain at the same

1470
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:53,520
place afterwards so ignore all that in

1471
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:56,079
between and you know

1472
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:58,400
i know there's no simple way and i'm i

1473
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,839
just wanted this to be that kind of

1474
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:01,280
conversation where it's a bit of fern

1475
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,720
and that but we're not knocking the

1476
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,559
science we're not knocking

1477
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:06,559
the woo we're kind of just saying that

1478
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:09,760
everybody has fair game and has a voice

1479
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:12,960
and deserves to not be ridiculed or put

1480
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,920
below anybody else you know yeah

1481
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,520
dude what if that's what if that simple

1482
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,680
thing you know what if that's saying is

1483
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:21,200
just just play the game you know

1484
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:22,960
everybody's got a little role like just

1485
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,680
play the game man that's maybe that's it

1486
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:27,280
something really simple like that

1487
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,480
because yeah

1488
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,559
yeah i mean sometimes you just play to

1489
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,640
have fun right you don't you don't have

1490
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:33,839
to put the ball in the hole you're not

1491
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:34,960
going to win a

1492
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:37,119
cash prize at the end maybe it's just

1493
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:39,040
fun i don't know

1494
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,720
yeah and i understand that some people

1495
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:42,640
do come into this with

1496
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:45,440
certain viewpoints and can muddy the

1497
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:46,640
waters

1498
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,000
and obviously that

1499
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,559
it doesn't help um so i

1500
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:52,880
try to think i don't do that but

1501
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,800
innocent conversation certainly doesn't

1502
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:57,040
do that experiences i don't think do

1503
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,920
that

1504
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:59,040
um

1505
00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:00,480
i know it's a

1506
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,839
it's a game

1507
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,599
that has to be played and there's more

1508
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,400
rules than we know probably but

1509
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:08,640
no one comes in with intentions or very

1510
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,319
few people come in with intentions of

1511
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:12,559
disrupting it in a negative way but i

1512
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:15,040
think it seems like

1513
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,880
people get called out unnecessarily like

1514
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,400
they're trying to do that i don't know

1515
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,319
what do you reckon one hundred percent

1516
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,559
dude i see a lot of that happening

1517
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,640
yeah like it makes me want to like not

1518
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:26,880
say as much stuff like i say stupid

1519
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:29,280
stuff all the time but

1520
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:30,800
i feel like it's got to be intimidating

1521
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:31,680
for

1522
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,680
something and just have that be an

1523
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:37,520
option like if you say something wrong

1524
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:41,200
or get a date wrong like man

1525
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,760
i'm negative sometimes dude

1526
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,599
that's the thing we see people come in

1527
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:47,200
and

1528
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,799
they have to be questioned because they

1529
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,400
come they seem to there seems to be

1530
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,799
seems to be some intent there to disrupt

1531
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:54,799
and they need to be

1532
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,599
dealt with yeah that's cool yeah they

1533
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,599
see that in every aspect of life

1534
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:01,760
it's like the the more

1535
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,880
the more you act like you know the more

1536
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,200
questions i have for you

1537
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,200
you know the more serious questions i

1538
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:11,440
have for you you know the the more that

1539
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,040
you're like

1540
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:14,880
dude i'm just i'm just trying to figure

1541
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:16,960
it out hey i'm just trying to figure it

1542
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:19,680
out too let's talk but if you're like oh

1543
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:21,760
well i know this and and this person

1544
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,319
came from here and and these people are

1545
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:26,000
doing this stuff and they know about

1546
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:26,960
this

1547
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,359
i'm going to dig for every one of those

1548
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:31,839
questions because you you know right you

1549
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:35,119
know and if if i start digging for those

1550
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:36,640
and you're lying

1551
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:39,520
then i don't have to bury you dude like

1552
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,079
the ufo community will eat its own in a

1553
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,559
heartbeat if it has to you know they'll

1554
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:46,880
take care of it for me so like you know

1555
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,119
like it's not really you know almost

1556
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:51,440
ben and i are almost like stupidity is

1557
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:53,599
our armor you know so it's like it's

1558
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,119
it's hard to kind of change our armor

1559
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:57,200
because you know hey

1560
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:58,720
we're just sometimes

1561
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,520
do dummies asking some questions just

1562
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,520
dudes being dudes man that's it and

1563
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:05,280
drinking beer and a lot of times towards

1564
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,880
the end of our episodes we end up

1565
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:08,400
getting kind of drunk so it just gets

1566
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,760
sillier as it goes nice

1567
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,599
that sounds awesome man and you know

1568
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:15,839
what i think you could ask a lot of

1569
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,040
people that do

1570
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,960
go into these really in-depth

1571
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:20,640
conversations and back and forth on

1572
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:21,599
twitter

1573
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,720
at the end of the night they probably

1574
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:24,160
sit at home and get drunk as well

1575
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:26,000
they're no different but they just yeah

1576
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,520
they just like air in their laundry

1577
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,599
online a bit more you know but

1578
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:31,200
you know i'm not trying to throw anyone

1579
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,640
under the bus here either but i just

1580
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:34,400
think that

1581
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,079
sometimes you don't have to be so

1582
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:38,880
intense and dramatic and yes it's

1583
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:40,880
important and we all do want the answers

1584
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,359
that's why i do what i do but

1585
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:45,839
damn man like take a break

1586
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,319
yeah have a chill like winning this

1587
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,240
argument on the internet isn't going to

1588
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:52,319
instantly unlock the answers

1589
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,280
no if it did okay go for it but it's not

1590
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:57,520
just calm down

1591
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,720
i feel that 100 dude you know it's like

1592
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:02,640
man

1593
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:04,559
so hey listen guys we're coming up to

1594
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:07,119
the hour mark so before we end i just

1595
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:08,799
wanted to sort of

1596
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:11,119
this is a question i ask everybody

1597
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,119
i try to ask everybody is

1598
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,200
do you have a favorite case something

1599
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:17,040
that you keep getting drawn back to in

1600
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,549
so

1601
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:26,799
i have i have well i kind of have two

1602
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,920
recent ones one is obviously the eric

1603
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:31,599
mitchell story

1604
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:32,880
completely

1605
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:34,880
absorbed me uh

1606
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:37,200
enough so to do a documentary on it the

1607
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,280
other has been terry loveless and yeah

1608
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,520
terry loveless has got a fascinating

1609
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:46,079
story man i absolutely love that story

1610
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:47,680
it was another one that when i heard it

1611
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,400
it immediately drew me in i love all the

1612
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,559
classics right just like everybody else

1613
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:54,240
i love the classics but when we're

1614
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,760
talking about like kind of newer stuff

1615
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:58,160
that's happened like in my lifetime uh

1616
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:00,160
stuff that is like tangible and i can

1617
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,119
talk to this person terry loveless man

1618
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:05,520
he has got an amazing story he's got a

1619
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:07,520
great book and he just released his

1620
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,839
second uh half of it uh the uh the well

1621
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,680
it's it's basically the first book just

1622
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:16,000
with a lot more detail in it right right

1623
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:18,880
incident at devil's den look it up um

1624
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,119
that story is great it's got everything

1625
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:23,599
dude i mean he's got the x-rays of the

1626
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:26,240
implants you know he's got the the

1627
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:29,839
military uh stories uh he's got the you

1628
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:31,280
know his wife

1629
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:32,480
talking about the pills that the

1630
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:34,960
government gave him the craft like

1631
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:38,160
the the the google uh from google maps

1632
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:40,240
dude i mean you can see

1633
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,000
the devil's den state park and like

1634
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:44,960
where this triangular craft landed

1635
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:47,119
like it's crazy it's nuts you can you

1636
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,799
can see it all like there's just so much

1637
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:50,960
to it man he's got a lot of uh a lot of

1638
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,920
like cool evidence um and the dude is

1639
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:55,200
just so smart

1640
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,240
you know

1641
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:58,400
yeah he's he's just a cool dude to talk

1642
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,119
to

1643
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,760
in general and uh i love that guy so

1644
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,359
definitely the terry lovely story for

1645
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,520
sure nice man i'm going to look into

1646
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:07,680
that man what about you ben

1647
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:10,319
ah man i got uh i guess right now so the

1648
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:11,760
question was like kind of what story

1649
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:12,559
kind of

1650
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:15,599
uh circle back to um the bledsoe story

1651
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:17,839
man it's happening right now it's still

1652
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:20,720
happening uh i mean that family sees

1653
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:22,720
stuff all the time and they ca they

1654
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:25,200
capture it on video sometimes uh and

1655
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:28,240
yeah ryan bledsoe he's been more vocal

1656
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:29,920
in this this past year and man we got to

1657
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:32,480
know him and he started his podcast so

1658
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:34,319
hearing his story from his perspective

1659
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:36,640
has been really awesome and dude i like

1660
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:37,359
to

1661
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,640
literally unfolding right now it's it's

1662
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:46,640
pretty awesome so that would that would

1663
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,119
be my my my favorite one right now

1664
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:51,440
awesome man yeah well listen guys one

1665
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:53,599
last thing before we go tell everybody

1666
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:56,559
where they can find you

1667
01:00:03,430 --> 00:59:58,880
yeah you

1668
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:06,630
you can find us at ufo garagepodcast.com

1669
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:09,440
uh everything's under ufo garage podcast

1670
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:12,400
uh right ben or yeah website

1671
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:14,720
websites ufo garage podcast.com the

1672
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:17,280
twitter's ufo garage uh and instagram is

1673
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,799
ufo garage

1674
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:20,880
and um

1675
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:22,720
facebook yeah that's the ufo garage on

1676
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:25,440
facebook i think yeah you're on facebook

1677
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:28,000
and uh yeah dude we're on like every uh

1678
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,160
podcast streaming platform you can find

1679
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:32,160
us everywhere we also do uh every

1680
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:35,599
thursday nights uh 7 30 central time uh

1681
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:41,829
yeah man every thursday we go live uh

1682
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:43,680
you can come and check us out ufo garage

1683
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:45,920
podcast on youtube

1684
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:48,319
awesome man well guys i've had a great

1685
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,680
time now i'm gonna throw it out there

1686
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,200
but i'd love you to come over to my

1687
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:53,520
instagram live one day and do a little

1688
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:54,319
uh

1689
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:55,839
little hang out on there because it's a

1690
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,079
totally different vibe um and i think

1691
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,640
you yeah it would go down so well man so

1692
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,160
heck yeah yeah

1693
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,240
that'd be cool

1694
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:06,160
but uh thank you again for joining me

1695
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:07,760
i've had a blast it's nice to have these

1696
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:09,839
conversations man it puts a smile on my

1697
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:11,839
face it makes me feel real good so thank

1698
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:13,920
you guys so much i appreciate it good

1699
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:15,359
man thanks for having us dude thank you

1700
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,880
so much yeah

1701
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:18,480
this was so this is so awesome thank you

1702
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,559
man no my pleasure man i'm absolute

1703
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:22,559
pleasure thank you to everybody in the

1704
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,160
chat i know we all have differences of

1705
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:26,559
opinion and that and that's okay so i

1706
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:27,920
just appreciate every one of you for

1707
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,280
being here and watching man and checking

1708
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:31,599
it out and so yeah until the next time

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01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:32,400
guys